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Sunday, October 31, 2010

Lecture on “Bhakti Yoga” by Dr. D.N. Srivastava in Delhi

Sri Aurobindo Ashram: Lecture on “Bhakti Yoga” by Dr. D.N. Srivastava, Sri Aurobindo Marg, 10 a.m. to 11-15 a.m..
Sri Aurobindo Society: Meeting, 5, Smith Rd., Anna Salai, 10-30 a.m.. 
Sri Aurobindo Devotees Prayer Group: Pushpanjali Offerings and Prayer to Sri Annai, Sasibalika Vidya Mandir, Azad Road, R.S. Puram, 9.30 a.m. ...
The latest newsletter of SAKSI (Sri Aurobindo Kapali Sastry Institute) in Bangalore includes a discourse by Dr. Kashyap on the same topic. Click below for a PDF copy
Their other newsletters are available at http://vedah.com/newsletter.html
This is the answer I received from someone in the Ashram:
Intonation must have come in the course of Vedic development. I don’t think if Vishwamitra himself had given any of these. In Sanskrit the metre is fixed and the rules are pretty strict. Gayatri is generally 24 syllables, 16+8. Vishwamitra’s has only 23, 7+8 +8. This is called ‘inferior’, kanishtha gayatri, which is also at times allowed.
Sri Aurobindo wrote the Gayatri for the thread ceremony of Doraiswamy’s son Mithran; he had vowed that only if Sri Aurobindo gave the Mantra that he would perform the ceremony. He wrote it on a small piece of paper but that paper is not available now. Sri Aurobindo did not write the English translation. Most probably it was done by Purani who was close to Doraiswamy or by Nolini, perhaps the latter. This Mantra has exact 8+8 +8 syllables.
Metres in Sanskrit have their own intonations, swaras, and these are universally followed 
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Saturday, October 30, 2010

Right answer round the clock

from In Search Of The Mother informationcenter.istm@gmail.com to tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 15 October 2010 15:30 subject Email & SMS Guidance
Many times in our life we are confronted with some problem or whenever at the mid of the work we are depressed and we are not able to find any instant solution to that problem or any instant cure of that depression , at that time we just wish presence of  any book of Mother or Sri Aurobindo so that we can ask our problem and get the answer from them by selecting any random page of the book and getting answer to our problem.

To provide a similar kind of facility IN SEARCH OF THE MOTHER has launched 2 new services, "EMAIL HELP" & “SMS HELP”
If we can formulate a question in the same way as we do that with the master book and send a sms/email  with word HELP to +91-7869044141 help@insearchofthemother.net 
a right quote which contains a right answer to your problem would be smse’d/emailed to you at same instance. These services can be acessed round the clock. PS:
1) PRESENTLY SMS SERVICE IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR INDIA.
2) Normal SMS Charges would be applicable only for the message you send, their would be no charges for reply message.
3) Acceptable Keywords are: “Help”, “help”, “blessing”
4) Email Carriers sometimes may take time to transfer email, so email delays might occur.

THE CORRECT METHOD TO FORMULATE THE QUESTION AS SUGGESTED BY THE MOTHER 
The Mother too sometimes in her classes with children, took a book of  Sri Aurobindo, opened a page at random and read out a sentence from there. The Mother was asked, "Can these sentences give one a sign or an indication? What should we do to get a true answer?"
The Mother explains in detail what actually happens and how it is possible to get the indication or the answer: […] In her light and love, All Of Us
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Sri Aurobindo Ashram - Delhi Branch: Summer camp 2011

Camp Contribution Rs. 4000/- per person for accommodation in dormitories only. Children below 12 years not accepted. … Send all applicable amounts by Bank Draft in favour of "Sri Aurobindo Education Society" payable at Delhi or New Delhi. Please inform us by e-mail ...  Fastest way to correspond with us via E-Mail to aurobindo@vsnl.com attn: Convenor Adventure Youth   Camp stating the No of the Camp.
Rain, hail or storm, the Ashram has maintained almost since its inception an unbroken tradition of a Sunday Satsang at ten in the morning. The Satsang typically begins with devotional music, which is followed by a discourse for about one hour. The Satsang ends also with devotional music. The session begins punctually at 10 a.m., and is generally over at about 11.30 a.m. Attending the Sunday Satsangs is an easy way to get introduced to the life-affirming spiritual philosophy of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother. In addition, it is very relaxing to spend a couple of hours in a peaceful atmosphere. Those who  come regularly for the Satsang also tend to get friendly with one another, unwittingly building up a social support system with effortless ease. So many came to the Ashram for the first time because of the Sunday Satsang, and got hooked. They can now think of no better way of spending the Sunday morning than to be in the peaceful Meditation Hall of the Ashram, get immersed in some soul-stirring music, listen to a scholarly discourse, enjoy the fellowship of like-minded people, and follow it up with lunch in the Ashram Dining Hall. Every Sunday at 10 a.m. Venue: Meditation Hall Admission: Free

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Heehs’ supporters take so much pride in attacking ...": To the Sadhaks on the sunlit path-
It is a fact always known to all yogis and occultists since the beginning of time, in Europe and Africa as in India, that wherever yoga or Yajna is done, there the hostile Forces gather together to stop it by any means.
A.A.D. and his gang are going on unabashedly doing the same. […] Posted by Anonymous to Savitri Era Open Forum at 12:02 AM, October 30, 2010

Thursday, October 28, 2010

Four poems written by Rajnarain Bose

From overman foundation overmanfoundation@gmail.com date 28 October 2010 13:10 subject From Overman Foundation: Poems of Raj Narain Bose on Dr. Krishnadhan Ghose.
Dear Friends of Overman Foundation,
It has been decided that we shall share with you from time-to-time some of our archival treasures. And to begin with, we are publishing four poems written by Rajnarain Bose (1826—1899), Sri Aurobindo’s maternal grandfather and the famous leader of the Brahmo Samaj, on Dr. Krishnadhan Ghose (1844—1893), his eldest son-in-law and Sri Aurobindo’s father.  
These poems were written sometime in the year 1869 when Dr. Krishnadhan Ghose had gone to England to study medicine. To read the poems, please click on the following link:
Chairman, Overman Foundation.

Tuesday, October 26, 2010

An intense creative period preceded Gandhi

from Prithwindra Mukherjee Prithwindra@aol.com to "Tusar N. Mohapatra" tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 26 October 2010 13:00 subject
TR: THE INTELLECTUAL ROOTS OF THE INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT IN INDIA -1893-1918 by DR PRITHWINDRA MUKHERJEE
New Book Release!!!:
THE INTELLECTUAL ROOTS OF THE INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT IN INDIA -1893-1918 by DR PRITHWINDRA MUKHERJEE
with a Foreword by Jacques Attali

The independence of India in the Western collective imagination seems to have the father figure of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. However, The Mass Movement launched by the Mahatma from 1919 was not born from nothing. For a long time, indeed, we have omitted an intense creative period which preceded him; it is the fundamentally radical program of Indian Revolutionaries of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century which was in complete contradiction with the battle of Gandhi with the zeal of non-violence.
In this well-researched book which is his doctoral thesis of state headed by Raymond Aron and supported under the chairmanship of Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie 1986, Mukherjee makes us to see the philosophical, historical and religious aspects, in short, the intellectual aspect of Indian nationalism. From Rammohan Roy to Sri Aurobindo - through Karl Marx and Rabindranath Tagore, the whole corpus of Indian nationalism’s ideological influence is analyzed by the Author, and in light of this culture it has a centuries-old history.
Hitherto largely ignored, an overview of the activities of revolutionaries in India as one of their networks incorporated outside the country (England, Russia, Germany, France, USA and several Asian countries ...) is also revealed for the first time. To destabilize the English yoke, Radical Nationalists did not hesitate, "during the First World War, to turn to William II and Germany, pursuing a policy of logistics, directly relating to the Middle East, who gave them special attention.
Supported by many archives which are inaccessible till today, there are unpublished personal papers or direct interviews with the protagonists of the Movement. The Work of Mukherjee Prithwindra is undeniably a major contribution to the historiography of India.
Author: Prithwindra Mukherjee,
Preface by Jacques Attali
Some fifty illustrations
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Hu Fancheng has definitively a message for China’s youth

Those who visited the Pavilion of Puducherry at the World Exhibition in Shanghai may have come across a panel depicting Xu Fancheng’s amazing odyssey in India — ‘The key man in cultural exchanges between India and China’ as one panel depicts him. This assertion might be true but strangely enough he is unknown in India; even the South Block mandarins, always quick to find living symbols of the Chini-Hindi brotherhood, are unaware of him.
It is a communist publication, The China Daily (the largest English-language newspaper in the mainland) which first paid homage to the great scholar, artist and spiritual seeker.
In December 2009, it published a surprising article explaining the special place of Xu for the Chinese people who “cannot imagine that a scholar …could find (in India) a place to immerse himself in his quest for spirituality.” It noted that: “it is exactly what Xu Fancheng (1909-2000), a leading researcher with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences did in India.”
It is worth quoting a few more lines from the Chinese newspaper: “In ancient times, Chinese scholars used to travel to India to study Buddhism and to bring back Buddhist scriptures, some of which have been well documented in history. But Xu spent a much longer time there than any of them, although he did not have to walk or ride horses and camels across deserts and snow-capped mountains to reach his dreamland”.
The communist paper continued: “For 33 quiet and, for most part, penniless years, Xu worked as hard as the ancient pilgrims, studying and translating India’s classical and modern writings. He was unaffected even by the loss of family members and the change of the national government back home. He spent most of those years in Sri Aurobindo Ashram.”
But who was really Xu Fancheng or Hu Hsu as he is still remembered in Puducherry? Hu Hsu was born in Changsha, in the southern province of Hunan on October 26, 1909 into a well-off family. The discreet Xu once told one of his friends in the ashram that Mao Zedong had been his history teacher in primary school. It is a fact that in 1917, the future Great Helmsman founded a night school in Hunan. Later Mao was appointed assistant librarian at the University of Beijing. It is probably around that time that Xu met this ‘very good teacher’. Unfortunately for China, Mao’s destiny was not to remain a ‘good’ teacher.
A few years later, the young Xu came into contact with Lu Xun, one of the most prominent Chinese writers in the 1920’s and 1930’s. Lu had a large following among young intellectuals and is still considered as the founder of modern Chinese literature. The two became friends.
Hu Hsu continued his studies at the Sun Yat-sen University in Guangdong.  He later moved to the Fudan University to study Western literature. In 1929 with Lu Xun’s support, he obtained a scholarship to study fine art and philosophy in Heidelberg, Germany where he stayed for three years. He returned to China in 1932 where he started to translate the works of Nietzsche into Chinese. In 1945, at the end of WWII he decided to come to India. For several years, he lived in Visva-bharati in Santiniketan studying Sanskrit while teaching the history of Chinese Buddhism at Cheena Bhavana, the centre co-founded by Rabindranath Tagore and Tan Yun-shan in 1937.
It is probably Tan who spoke about Sri Aurobindo and his ashram to Xu Fancheng. In 1951, Xu landed in Pondicherry. He remained there for 27 years, deeply immersed in studying, painting, teaching, translating, writing or simply being an ‘integral yogi’. He translated into Chinese several Indian classics such as the Bhagavad Gita or the Upanishads, and also the major works of Sri Aurobindo, particularly The Life Divine. It is Xu who organised the first Chinese printing press in Pondicherry with the Mother’s support.
On October 30, 1962 (the Chinese had invaded India 10 days earlier), the Mother told one of her disciples: “I suddenly realised that the Chinese can’t translate the way we do! In Chinese, each character represents an idea rather than a separate word; the basis is ideas, not words and their meanings, so translation must be a completely different kind of work for them. …But how interesting it must be (for Xu) to work with new ideas that way! The man is a genius!”
On December 18, 1978, hardly two years after the end of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, a small man (in size) climbed the rostrum for the Third Plenary Session of the Eleventh Central Committee of the Communist Party of China. Deng Xiaoping was to change the face of China. The same year, Xu decided to return to China and worked as a researcher in the Department of Religion in the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing. He continued to work quietly until he passed away on March 6, 2000.
Can you believe that it is The China Daily which asked: “Why are an old, lonely scholar born a century ago and the stuff that used to be called ‘Oriental mysticism’ and spirituality, drawing people’s attention today when most students in China and India are being taught Western rationalism?” and then adding: “When Xu was pursuing his vocation single-mindedly, Chinese youths were flocking to Western countries’ embassies or consul offices to apply for student visas”.
Thirty years ago, though Deng Xiaoping announced that ‘to be rich is glorious’, the masses’ lives still remain hollow; it is perhaps time for China to meditate on the life and contribution of the last Chinese pilgrim. Hu Fancheng has definitively a message for China’s youth. claudearpi@gmail.com

Friday, October 22, 2010

Yes the tampering of the photographs is being done

From Sunil rajpal sunilauro@gmail.com to tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 22 October 2010 13:06 subject for posting
Yes the tampering of the photographs is being done, Arvind Akki who works beside that department and was my neighbour had showed it to me. My pain had increased and had felt helpless. He had told me he had taken samples of it to Pranob and the person responsible got away with it with his explanations. Arvind Akki is the right person to speak to about this he is the one who has made the latest Ashram videos. 

I have come out as a name given to me divine bulldog in this forum. In the ashram I had to keep a low profile in order to survive. Anybody seen friendly with me would fall in the bad books of Manoj and sooner or later pay the price. Some were independent types and would greet me while most looked down upon me. Ambi used to remain friendly and he is a genius in everything, and what they did to him, they trapped him and had him thrown in prison and had him beaten up too. I was crying when I had heard this but what I can oI do I am not a bulldog but a tiny meeni meowie cat in the ashram. 

The Ashram that is created by the Mother and Sri Aurobindo is out os deep love for humanity a place for the growth of the highest consciousness and they have lived and proved it shown it set an example, all the sadhaks know how the atmosphere was charged and magical the environment was. The divine Mother was always giving this or that always pouring one thing after another, taking care of everything in as much detail as possible. And she had said if somebody is open they can realise their soul, the coming of the psychic in the front to dominate mind life and body within six months. That atmosphere was created by her.  And this thing is permanently stamped that Glory continues though behind the veil more as the management is trying to cut the sharing by 'Nobody allowed to bring flowers to the Samadhi' 'Nobody allowed to take flowers from the Samadhi'.

When you go to the Mother and Sri Aurobindo the flowers are your expression of love they have banned them and saying it is her order. What can you do except cry. I was the one who hade made the big Prasad plate stand and have seen how people cherish to take home as something of the Mother and Sri Aurobindo as Prasad. You don't say no to their offerings in cash but flowers or agarbatis you say foul play as it does not benefit you. Their reason for stopping incense to be offered at the Samadhi was that the tree will die. What nonsense, and when people objected too much they said one hour in the evening and one hour in the morning. Now this is the rule.  While the Mother had insisted that incense should be burning there 24/7. It should be burning there all the time as it purifies the atmosphere and invisible to our physical eyes there are many gods and gods who come there. So every night a big about 5 foot incense was put before closing the Ashram so that it remains burning all night. 

Got carried away, what I saying was where truth and self-expression are denied you cut the roots of the growth of consciousness. The asura needs to rule through fear in order to have personal power and obedience. And that is what is going on. All these Quacks who rise against what I describe are winning the favor of MDG and the more of they collect the more chance they have of sitting with him on the throne.  Because this is an open forum and nobody is holding my throat and there is no choking and no stamped down upon and looked down upon your existence with that false labeling and the iron cage in which they want me to be, live and act. It does not apply here.  I am their child as anybody and have right to speak given the chance. Sunil S R

George Nakashima was inspired by Shaker furniture

Golconde, Nakashima, Shakers, Quakers, ...

George Nakashima started out in the field of architecture and later shifted to woodworking and furniture making. He assisted in construction of Golconde and designed the furniture for it. In one of his books he wrote that he was inspired by Shaker furniture. This led me to find out more about it. Got more details from the net and finally some rare books from USA on Shakers. There the designs clearly matched what is in Golconde.
To my knowledge this has never been documented by any of the books or records on Golconde, or even the Ashram in its furniture department or Harpagon workshop. Some people knew it is from Nakashima, not beyond that. 
Later he got influenced by Japanese or other designs, these were more fancy and difficult to make, which reflect in the later period of furniture made by Harpagon workshop.
These two design patterns were prevalent in all furniture made in the ashram and used in the ashram, till the 1980's, when Auroform designs took over, which also are partly influenced by Japanese designs, and they dominate till date.
The Shaker designs are plain, uncluttered and functional. They are to be seen, studied and used to appreciate them.
Shakers used to make these furniture themselves and had an aim of perfection in daily living and work, so their furniture, though very plain are perfect in workmanship, the originals today command for a single simple chair with wood seat and back over a lakh of rupees. This is a tribute to be their excellence.

After some period came across by chance some information on an excelllent furniture workshop in Chennai. Contacted the owner couple, Reshma and Deepak Chengappa, their unit is known as Shakti Ganapati (www.shaktiganapati.com). They replied that they are influenced by Nakashima and copy his designs and exacting workmanship, though they had not seen Golconde furniture. Just Nakashima's books, in Vak bookshop.
Here too they have never publicised the fact that their inspiration is Nakashima, do not think people know it. What surprised me is how in both cases the original inspiration is sort of unknown.
The work they do has the same pursuit of perfection. A piece takes 6 months to make. All furniture is made without using any nails or screws and has only wooden joinery, very difficult. The finish is natural and shows all the beauty and defects of wood, so one has to be extra careful in choosing the wood. The initial polish is tung oil, imported from usa, which is rubbed on the wood which soaks it up, and gives a permanent polish base. They are working to very exacting standards and technique, which makes it expensive but a piece of art.
Do not know of anyone doing something similar in India. Would welcome feedback on this, if there is someone else.

On Shakers etc. 
The Shakers are an offshoot of Christianity, were persecuted in Europe and shifted to USA, in late 1700s. They had community life which was simple and had self sufficiency, everything was made by them, and with perfection. The picture of their daily use articles are a study in perfection. The few books on them, difficult to get, are very interesting. They were always a very small and fringe sect. Last read that less than a dozen are alive in a community and soon, will cease to exist as a sect. In time of male domination in Christianity they were led by a woman (Mother Ann Lee). Some Shaker sayings:
a) Do your work as if you had a thousand years to live and as if you were to die tomorrow.
b) Beauty rests on utility.
c) Anything may, with strict propriety, be called perfect, which perfectly answers the purpose for which it was designed.
d) There is great beauty in harmony.

Another Christian sect, which is there till date worldwide, though in small numbers is Quakers. They too have interesting community living and beliefs, main is freedom and equality of mankind. Due to this belief,  they helped Indian freedom movement from UK and many quakers helped Gandhi in UK  and also were influenced by him and came to India to work here. Like Sam (Satyanand) Stokes, helped Himachal Pradesh with apple plantations, and many others. The last known, who some years back passed away was eco architect Laurie Baker in Kerala. On him Ram Guha wrote an article: The Last Quaker in India. Wrote to Ram Guha to know more about quakers, but he himself did not know about them much.
They are very industrious and run large businesses, as per their beliefs, something admirable, they do not shun money or wealth, but lead very simple lives. The most famous brand of their sect is: Quaker Oats (ironically does not belong to Quakers now), now sold in India. It is actually healthy. Books on Quakers are interesting to read such as: Encounters with Silence, etc. difficult to get, as few read them.

Something similar to Shaker community living, is still there is pockets in USA, are Amish. They lead community life, use no electricity, cars, are self sufficient community and grow, make, everything themselves. Now are also a tourist attraction. Some idea of them can be had from the thriller film: Witness, with Harrison Ford.
Their sense of forgiveness and duty in a recent/few years back case struck me: A outside man shot many in an Amish community school, and was killed later. His widow and child had nowhere to go and were poor. The Amish in an exemplary action took both of them into their community.  (which community, sect, religion, spiritual place will do this, theory is easy but not in practice)

Quakers are a bit more tuned to normal living in cities, but Shakers and Amish and some other similar communities, mostly in USA run away from Europe, have similar ideals. Being totally non violent, living with nature, shun all modern gadgets, do not interfere with anyone, no conversions, do not seek donations, live with what they have, grow or make. They have quirky and strange beliefs of Christ and religion, so are small in numbers and might slowly disappear. Except may be Quakers who are present across the world.
Everyone in USA and Europe thinks of them as bizarre, quirky, you name it;
There is lots to be learned from their work ethic, attitude to other people, they never fight in any wars, harmony with nature living etc. Information on them is difficult to get, as they are not very popular, and reclusive. Whatever books etc I got is impressive to go through.

There is always lots to be learned from anyone leading a pursuit of perfection.
Indians and devotees of various ashrams here, (incl. Sri Aurobindo Ashram/Auroville), have something to learn from them. Leaving alone for a moment the claim that our God and knowledge is greater than everybody's, and we have all the answers to save and change the world (give these glorious and ancient benefits of ours a rest for sometime to enable to rejuvenate themselves), and learn something else even if it is funny. Funnily these communities do not proclaim anything or superiority and work quietly, which is what is best.  

Some people never learn anything because they understand everything too soon.   - Alexander Pope

Any information on these sects and pursuit of perfection is welcome. By Anonymous

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It is inaccurate to claim that the Mother considered Nirodbaran and Amal Kiran to be morons

From aurosatya vrata to "Tusar N. Mohapatra" tusarnmohapatra@gmail.com date 21 October 2010 17:38 subject Reg. Mr. Sunil SR's message on SEOF dt. October 21 2010
Dear Mr. Mohapatra,
Best Greetings after a long pause. May I please request you to post my message on your blog site in response to Mr. Sunil SR's message. Please also remove my e-mail address while posting, as is the practice currently.

Dear Mr. Sunil SR,
As someone who has taken part in some of the discussions that took place on the Savitri Era Open Forum (SEOF) earlier this year during the months of March - May '10, I would like to bring to your attention that there is nothing original or new that you are presenting to the readers of the SEOF.

I do not know if you are a newcomer to the SEOF or if you are posing as someone else who is merely reappearing on this blog site every time there is a controversy that needs to be stirred up, but we are already all too familiar with the stale stories that you are presenting here.

Not only are your stories and information stale, but we have already discussed, demonstrated and established that much of the allegations that you are exposing here are totally inaccurate and unsubstantiated. And more importantly they appear to be motivated misrepresentations of facts and lies.

In particular, what is objectionable is the fact that you are misusing the Mother's words to insult respectable people such as Dr. Nirodbaran and Mr. K.D. Sethna (Amal Kiran) who were among the few disciples that were close to Sri Aurobindo. 

Several people have already contributed and presented sufficient material on this blog site to clearly establish that it is not only inappropriate, but that it is inaccurate to claim that the Mother considered Dr. Nirodbaran and Mr. K.D. Sethna to be morons. 

If you think that they were morons, just say so, but do not misuse the Mother's words or put your words in Her mouth to try and prove your petty points.

In case you are not convinced of my observations, I earnestly invite you to request Mr. Tusar Mohapatra, the owner and moderator of this blog site to direct you to the SEOF archives (hoping that the word "archives" doesn't intimidate you) so that you may review the discussion that took place earlier this year, during March - May '10.

I would also request you to avoid getting into any lengthy and repetitive arguments until you have studied that archived material. And if you do get back, I hope that you will agree that it will be more meaningful if you stick to specifics and substantiate your claims and allegations with something more concrete and convincing that merely presenting your opinions. Regards, S.

Wednesday, October 20, 2010

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